Why isn’t it that Aikido experts do not take part in or win any mixed martial arts competitions?
Posted by admin on Dec 1, 2008 in Martial Arts |
Mario R asked:
Aikido is supposed to be an effective form of defense against any attack and also uses ‘Ki’, which is said to be more powerful than brute strength.
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Aikido is supposed to be an effective form of defense against any attack and also uses ‘Ki’, which is said to be more powerful than brute strength.
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Because it falls into the category of pursuits that is more for fun. relaxation etc like tai chi and even yoga.
I wrestled at international level and we crosstrained with all styles.
i have great respect for judo, BJJ,even sumos know a lot more technique than people realise.
But aikido is just not realistic sorry. a lot of their moves have a real basis but it is not taught as a fighting art so they never get learned right.
We were very respectful of all the styles we trained with, but aikido always told us not to come back because we would not let the blackbelts win, and did not ‘jump into throws’ for them.
Complete BS
Well first off there is a really big differance between fighting on a ring or a street fight and self defense. A street fight is a clash of two ego’s that 99% of the time wouldn’t happen if one person was bigger and walked away and refused to fight. Being the bigger person or walking away is a form of self defense, as is defusing the situation. The other 1%, where there is no choice but to physicly defend yourself is self defense. Self defense is not about points, or a belt, or money, or glory, or yoru ego, it is about survival pure and simple. it is being able to survive to go home to your family.
Fighting in a ring or street fighting is a choice, and quite honestly most people who take a traditional art don’t feel they have to prove anything to anyone, and fighting in a ring or street fighting is not why they signed up. Many only think of the self defense aspect as secondary. They mainly take it for fitness, mental development, and stress relief.
That being said Akido is also a very hard style to use well in self defense until you reach a high level. It is one of the most complicated styles to learn and use well. There are also some bad schools out there, as with any style. Quite honestly with as popular as MMA is getting, I think within the next few years that you will see a lot af McGym’s open up, the same way it happened with karate and TKD.
Please remember that there are many good hardcore Martial Artists out there who have no interest in competing in a ring because they have nothing to prove. If it is your thing that is cool, but don’t think that other styles are worthless because most of there students do not share that. There are many Okinawin masters that could put the hurt to you if you forced them to.
Don’t judge other styles by whether they compete in MMA, because for many that is not their thing.
Aikido is a soft martial art not like Mauy Thai or BJJ also it is a primary defencive art as well. Mauy Thai or BJJ defence strength comes from their aggressive moves you know like the old saying The best defence is a strong offence. So in the ring that would be a great advantage in it, but Aikido is a passive defencive martial art and so you would need to let you opponent dictate the pace and movement of the match which would not be a good thing. Aikido is a great art but in the ring I believe it would prove a hindrance to the person rather then a help.
Aikido is not an art that competes. That goes against the whole concept of the art. But it did derive from forms of Jujutsu. I would assume if the MMA had an actual highly experienced Aikido expert, the fight would either last forever and end very quickly. Because in Aikido you are not the aggressor so your opponent would have to make the move and when he did the Aikido guy is taught to end an attack quickly with little damage to attacker. They are hard styles of Aikido, just do some research to see what Aikido could offer. Just like any other martial art.
I don’t believe the aikido disciples are so entlightened and deadly, they would never compete in mma…. jazz. Sort of like how true psychics will never agree to be tested by skeptics. Trust me, if aikidoka could win matches and make big $$$ they’d be lined up out the door. I’ve done Aikido and Hapkido and think the techniques certainly have a legit place in MA. Police certainly should train in aikido because the goal is to stop aggression without really hurting the agressor. But I think you short change yourself by putting all the eggs in that one basket. Really, has a bad guy ever grabbed your wrist? Or ran at you doing an overhead knifehand chop?
I have yet to read the others ideas but I will give mine. Aikido isn’t an art of offensive attack. We do not compete in such things, as an Aikidoist. I, as well train in bjj and kali and have fought in mma events, just to toss that out. But to use JUST Aikido would not fair great. Not because it is bad for defense but because of the rules set by mma. You don’t find Krav Maga in mma either, not because it wouldn’t work but because they have not rules and stepping into a ring or cage with rules would shut down some of their skills. I have and will always defend Aikido, although I know it dosen’t have all the answers, but no one style does. I know it works, for me. Anyway do not think Aikido isn’t effective just remember that mma has rules.
I’ll keep this short and concise
1. Competition is against the founder’s wishes
2. It’s an incomplete system. Ueshiba didn’t teach his students everything he knew
3. It’s mainly defensive
4. The attacks are not realistic. This can be dealt with however.
5. Most dojo don’t have good technique or train with resistance
6. Much of the emphasis is on grabs
7. It works mostly at a defensive range meaning presumably your opponent is angry enough to attack you, you’re keeping distance, hence their attack must be larger.
8. Most people don’t learn aikido for the purposes of using it. Most people learn it so that they can get a work out and feel that they are doing martial art when they’re not training hard enough.
9. Many of the moves are 0-60 meaning that there is no opportunity for a tap-out, you’d simply break your opponent’s arm.
10. aikido works with the idea that there are no rules. Meaning if he leaves himself open to a break, strike, rake, gouge, or otherwise, do it fast and hard enough to break them so you can leave.
the reason is very little aikido works in the real world , often you see many aikidoists being flung and landing quite nicley on the ground with a roll. this shows that there is a level of co-operation on the part of their training partners . the best way to test it is to find an akidoist and have him show you , but don’t co-operate . you will find with some resitance many akido techniques do not work . much of akido depends on people charging in ie; already being in motion . science states that an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force .an object at rest will stay at rest . much like pulling a car with you teeth its a whole lot easier if its already moving. also the aim of aikido is to not hurt anyone -not the best idea if the mma guy across the cage doesn’t share the same sentiments. also not the greatest idea for a selfdefense situation-personaly i want to hurt the other guy and get outta dodge with no chance of him giving persuit
1) Most Aikido dojos strictly forbid competative fighting, and don’t do anything close to sparring. As such, most Aikidoka aren’t really used to real combat, which puts them at a disadvantage agaisnt a trained fighter (but isn’t as much of a deal against an untrained fighter).
But even for those that do:
2) The vast majority of Aikido focuses on moves that rely on at least one step that is either banned under the Small Joint Manipulation stipulation pretty much every MMA organization has, or wrist locks that are completely ineffective in MMA competitions do to the gloves and rolls of tape put on fighters’ hands.